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Sure, he was raised in Cleveland. But he arrived in Minnesota for college and has spent most of his adult life here. That’s 40 years now, and that gives him some pretty keen insight into the psyche of a Minnesota sports fan.
So when Saunders is asked how he thinks Minnesota fans feel about Kevin Love — one day before the Wolves are set to face their former player, albeit on the road, for the first time — Saunders’ comments are reflective not necessarily of how he personally feels but of how four decades of life in Minnesota lead him to believe fans feel.
“Minnesota people are pretty loyal,” Saunders said. “When you turn on Minnesota, they don’t forgive you.”
This is so very, very true. Minnesotans pick their villains, and when it comes to former players much of the reaction has to do with their perception of how it all ended. Chuck Knoblauch is a prime example. And Kevin Love will be another. Right or wrong, that’s how we roll.
We’re sure that most rational fans will understand that and either ignore the story entirely or understand that Flip is correct. We’ll just take a peek into the ESPN comments to be sure and — OH NO! Here’s a small taste — maybe not the hottest of the hot takes, the center of the hot takes sun, but the cleanest string we could find (click to enlarge):
You can never have too much starting pitching. If it becomes a bona fide surplus, and there just aren’t enough spots for guys who deserve them, a major league team can always make a trade — and usually a very good trade — sending out a pitcher and bringing back something else useful.
You can certainly, though, not have enough starting pitching. The Twins know this because they learned it the most memorable way: the hard way. The 2011-14 Twins have been the Hard Knocks School of Starting Pitching , never finishing better than 26th in MLB in ERA despite attempts, to various degrees, to fix the problem.
What they’ve apparently discovered along the way — a good thing — is that hoping and wishing are not the same as planning. What they’ve also discovered is that best-case scenarios, or even modest-case scenarios, don’t always pan out. So even if you have five starting pitchers you think might form a decent rotation given a break here or there, it’s probably not going to work. Injuries happen. Ineffectiveness happens. Exceeding expectations occasionally happens, but not enough to offset the overall failure of the whole (see: Phil Hughes, 2014).
The Twins in these past four years have usually had pitchers available to start games. In 2012, 12 different pitchers started at least five games. What they’ve lacked is quality options. They usually ended up with a couple decent starters, if they were lucky. And in this era of baseball, when elbows get wonky and scouting reports catch up fast, you need more than five.
The Twins don’t yet have five. What they do have is more than $150 million invested in three — including what amounts to a three-year, $42 million extension for Hughes that was announced Monday — that will take all of them through at least 2017 (Nolasco, with an option after that), with Ervin Santana (2018) and Hughes (2019) even longer-terms. There are no guarantees with any of those three, particularly Nolasco after last season, but they are investments that indicate real effort to fix a problem.
Throw Kyle Gibson into that mix — 13 wins, ERA of 4.47, FIP of 3.80 last season — and there’s at least more than just wishful thinking for a fourth spot.
After that, you get into the whole cast of “maybes.” Guys like Mike Pelfrey, Tommy Milone have had decent MLB seasons in the past. Trevor May and Alex Meyer could be ready to challenge for a spot. J.O. Berrios and Kohl Stewart have potential further down in the minors.
Here’s the thing: In some years past, Pelfrey, Milone and those others would have been THE plan. They wouldn’t have been the competition at the bottom of the rotation. They would have been the competition at the top (see: 2012, with the likes of Pelfrey, Kevin Correia, Vance Worley, Scott Diamond and Liam Hendriks as the top options).
So if you find yourself wondering how the Twins are going to integrate some of their young pitchers or holdover arms into their rotation … don’t worry. They don’t have pitching depth — yet. If they do get starting pitching depth, it will be a nice problem to have and an easy problem to solve.
Brad Childress, in 2006, primarily used veteran Brad Johnson as the team slogged to a 6-10 finish, but at the end of the season he turned things over to rookie second-round pick Tarvaris Jackson.
Leslie Frazier, shedding the interim tag after taking over for Childress, went into 2011 with Donovan McNabb as the starter but first-round pick Christian Ponder presumed to take over at some point. Ponder ended up starting 10 games of a 3-13 season.
And now Mike Zimmer, a rookie coach in 2014, had to give the keys to rookie first-round QB Teddy Bridgewater a little earlier than expected because of an injury to veteran Matt Cassel. Bridgewater has started 11 games this season, posting a 5-6 record in a 6-9 season-to-date.
All of those seasons have flaws. The first two gave way to better times ahead — the Vikings made the playoffs by 2008 and the NFC title game in 2009, then also made the playoffs in 2012 — but one could argue those appearances were largely in spite of and not because of those first two rookie QBs.
The difference this year, quite plainly, is Bridgewater. We’ve been critical here of certain kinds of throws he has difficulty making, but we’ve also seen enough progress over a long enough stretch of time to at least say he is the most promising young Vikings quarterback since Daunte Culpepper.
In his last four games, Bridgewater has completed 73 percent of his passes for 1,021 yards, seven TDs, four INTs and a 105.7 passer rating. It hasn’t been flawless, but it’s been as good a stretch of quarterback play as the Vikings have had since Brett Favre’s 2009 season. And he’s done it exclusively without Adrian Peterson — a luxury Jackson had in 2007-08 when he started 17 combined games, and a luxury Ponder certainly had for the vast majority of his starts.
It’s not really fair, we suppose, to compare all these quarterbacks. But it is natural, and conclusion is simple: Bridgewater, after his rookie season, will have the Vikings and their first-year head coach thinking far more positively about the future of the quarterback spot than Jackson and Ponder did after their rookie years for their rookie coaches.
It’s a gift, really. We feel #blessed. On the second day of our pledge to bring you a roundup of the hottest sports takes we can find, news comes out that Bud Selig is getting $6 million per year in retirement.
It’s the stuff that Hot Takes legends are made. As such, here are some of the piping hottest ones we found on Twitter. Put on a fire suit. You’re going to need it!
— Eddie Arvayo (@ASUeddie) December 19, 2014
$6 million a year for Selig? That kind of money would only make sense if he were an incompetent pitcher! #mlb
— David Bickel (@Creepiosity) December 19, 2014
And we thought Milwaukee Co. employees had sweet pension benefits. Bud Selig will get $6 million/yr to be retired and refuse to learn email.
— James Carlton (@jimmycarlton88) December 19, 2014
— Mike Gianella (@MikeGianella) December 19, 2014
The Wolves just traded Corey Brewer and Ronny Turiaf to the Rockets. Here are five thoughts on the deal:
1) We applaud Flip Saunders’ commitment to a full rebuild. Brewer isn’t a great player, but he’s a useful player. That said, this season was going to be a struggle already, and injuries to top players only hastened the Wolves’ demise. Might as well trade Brewer and free up more playing time for younger players, with Shabazz Muhammad presumably at the top of that list.
2) Getting to include Turiaf in the deal is nice, too. The Wolves weren’t going to get anything out of him this year. This is an amicable parting to a nice guy who wasn’t healthy.
3) The Wolves received guard Troy Daniels and two second-round picks in the trade. The two second-rounders probably won’t amount to much, but they are still assets. Daniels can flat-out shoot. He’s only 13 for 43 this season from three-point range (30 percent), but last season between the regular season and playoffs he was 20 for 40 (50 percent) from long distance. The Wolves have a decided lack of shooters. If he can fill a role — and cheaply at that, under contract for this year and next at less than $1 million a season — he could be a valuable steal.
4) The downside to this is losing Brewer. He’s a player with value, he’s a good human being and there is something to be said for young players having someone like Brewer around for stability.
5) Overall, though, we like this trade. Saunders the GM knows that in the short-term it will make life harder on Saunders the coach, but that’s a hit he’s willing to take for long-term development.
|Denver||21||3rd Qtr 9:08|
|Buffalo||12/28/14 12:00 PM|
|Carolina||12/28/14 12:00 PM|
|Cleveland||12/28/14 12:00 PM|
|Dallas||12/28/14 12:00 PM|
|Indianapolis||12/28/14 12:00 PM|
|Detroit||12/28/14 12:00 PM|
|Jacksonville||12/28/14 12:00 PM|
|San Diego||12/28/14 12:00 PM|
|NY Jets||12/28/14 12:00 PM|
|Chicago||12/28/14 12:00 PM|
|Philadelphia||12/28/14 12:00 PM|
|New Orleans||12/28/14 12:00 PM|
|Oakland||12/28/14 3:25 PM|
|Arizona||12/28/14 3:25 PM|
|St. Louis||12/28/14 3:25 PM|
|Cincinnati||12/28/14 7:30 PM|
|Toronto||120||4th Qtr 0:12|
|Atlanta||90||4th Qtr 6:25|
|LA Clippers||104||4th Qtr 6:28|
|Arizona||0||1st Prd 5:43|
|San Jose||0||1st Prd 5:21|
|Central Conn St||55|
|Lewis & Clark||49||FINAL|
|North Dakota St||61||FINAL|
|Mount St Marys||69|
|William & Mary||62||FINAL|
|East Tenn St||60||FINAL|
|Long Beach State||49||FINAL|
|NC Central||62||1st OT 2:25|
|SE Missouri St||51||FINAL|
|Jacksonville St||51||2nd Half 2:59|
|Milwaukee||34||2nd Half 11:58|
|Wisconsin||49||2nd Half 8:31|
|Coll of Charleston||31||2nd Half 7:51|
|North Dakota||39||2nd Half 9:34|
|Northern New Mexico||30||2nd Half 9:00|
|New Mexico St||58|
|UC Santa Barbara||58||2nd Half 9:29|
|Miami-Florida||38||2nd Half 16:07|
|Northeastern||58||2nd Half 4:22|
|Kent State||41||2nd Half 15:52|
|UC Davis||56||2nd Half 6:48|
|Lewis-Clark State||62||2nd Half 5:20|
|Walla Walla||44||2nd Half 3:49|
|TX A&M-CC||22||1st Half 6:20|
|Cal State Fullerton||20|
|Marshall||19||1st Half 7:28|
|Boise State||9:30 PM|
|UC Riverside||10:00 PM|
|San Diego St|
|Loyola Marymount||10:00 PM|
|Nebraska||12/23/14 12:00 AM|
|Marshall||12/23/14 5:00 PM|
|Navy||12/23/14 8:30 PM|
|San Diego St|
|Central Mich||12/24/14 11:00 AM|
|Fresno State||12/24/14 7:00 PM|
|Illinois||12/26/14 12:00 PM|
|Rutgers||12/26/14 3:30 PM|
|NC State||12/26/14 7:00 PM|
|Cincinnati||12/27/14 12:00 PM|
|Duke||12/27/14 1:10 PM|
|(15) Arizona State|
|Miami-Florida||12/27/14 3:00 PM|
|Boston College||12/27/14 3:30 PM|
|(25) Nebraska||12/27/14 7:00 PM|
|Texas A&M||12/29/14 1:00 PM|
|Oklahoma||12/29/14 4:30 PM|
|Arkansas||12/29/14 8:00 PM|
|(21) West Virginia||54||FINAL|
|San Jose St||97|
|Fla Gulf Coast||74||FINAL|
|BYU||44||2nd Half 4:37|
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